A heated debate erupted on TalkTV when host Julia Hartley-Brewer clashed with transgender guest Shivani Dave over pronoun usage during a live broadcast. Dave, a transgender activist and journalist who prefers “they/them” pronouns, was introduced by Hartley-Brewer with “she/her” pronouns, setting the stage for a tense exchange.
As the segment opened, Dave reminded the host of his preferred pronouns, to which Hartley-Brewer responded firmly, “Yeah, thank you for telling me your pronouns. I use correct grammar. So, the only thing I would need to refer to you as, to your face would be ‘you.’”
“But, I’m not being rude; you can choose your pronouns, you can choose what you want to call yourself, but you don’t get to require me to use incorrect grammar and factually incorrect things,” said Hartley-Brewer. “You’re not a plural; you’re a one person, and you’re a female person, so I will use ‘she’ and ‘her.’ Thank you very much, do what you like I guess.”
Throughout the interview, Hartley-Brewer maintained her stance, emphasizing her commitment to “correct grammar” and factual accuracy in language. “I chose to use the correct pronouns for a single woman who is appearing on my show,” she stated, even as Dave attempted to affirm his non-binary identity.
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Julia Hartley-Brewer and journalist Shivani Dave clash over the use of gender pronouns.
Shivani: "I'm a very special, non-binary, trans person. You chose to use the incorrect pronouns for me".
Julia: "Is it disrespectful for me to use correct, factual grammar?".@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/6dGrSBnnzE
— TalkTV (@TalkTV) April 10, 2024
Over the years the world has witnessed a sharp increase in transgender children receiving drugs and undergoing surgeries to change their gender. Dave joined the conversation to talk about the newly released Cass Review on transgender health services, written by Dr. Hilary Cass, an English pediatrician.
Commissioned by NHS England, the review sought to enhance the quality, safety, and effectiveness of support provided to this demographic. Key insights from the report include the recognition of a substantial rise in the number of young individuals seeking these services, attributed to a complex interplay of biological, psychological, and social factors.
The report also addressed the variability in clinical approaches and the gap between these practices and typical clinical expectations, which has made some healthcare providers hesitant to engage with these groups. Moreover, the review criticized the quality of the current evidence, noting a significant gap in the data needed to support reliable clinical decisions and informed choices by patients and their families. Concerns are particularly pointed towards early medical interventions such as puberty suppression and the use of gender-affirming hormones in minors, highlighting the lack of robust data on their long-term effects.
The recommendations propose a shift towards more standardized NHS practices that focus on holistic assessments and tailored care plans that not only address gender incongruence but also encompass broader mental health and psychosocial challenges.
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Julia Hartley-Brewer and journalist Shivani Dave clash over the use of gender pronouns.
Shivani: "I'm a very special, non-binary, trans person. You chose to use the incorrect pronouns for me".
Julia: "Is it disrespectful for me to use correct, factual grammar?".@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/6dGrSBnnzE
— TalkTV (@TalkTV) April 10, 2024
Julia Hartley-Brewer and journalist Shivani Dave clash over the use of gender pronouns.
Shivani: "I'm a very special, non-binary, trans person. You chose to use the incorrect pronouns for me".
Julia: "Is it disrespectful for me to use correct, factual grammar?".@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/6dGrSBnnzE
— TalkTV (@TalkTV) April 10, 2024
Julia Hartley-Brewer and journalist Shivani Dave clash over the use of gender pronouns.
Shivani: "I'm a very special, non-binary, trans person. You chose to use the incorrect pronouns for me".
Julia: "Is it disrespectful for me to use correct, factual grammar?".@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/6dGrSBnnzE
— TalkTV (@TalkTV) April 10, 2024
Julia Hartley-Brewer and journalist Shivani Dave clash over the use of gender pronouns.
Shivani: "I'm a very special, non-binary, trans person. You chose to use the incorrect pronouns for me".
Julia: "Is it disrespectful for me to use correct, factual grammar?".@JuliaHB1 pic.twitter.com/6dGrSBnnzE
— TalkTV (@TalkTV) April 10, 2024
